TOO MUCH MONKEY BUSINESS: The Elvis Forum

So glad you caught it -- remember, if it's by the doc, it means quality......Elvis had been using the dual drummer set up since June 1958's Nashville session, and it was the case at the March 25, 1961 Honolulu show as well.

Nope, the only drummer in Honolulu was DJ.

I always mix up which Nashville guys made that trip -- t'was only Bob and Hank, not Buddy.

Bob, Hank, Floyd and Boots.

Ernst stated early on that he wanted to publish every known photo of Elvis from the time that he was with Sun in the new book.

In the first of an enthralling series of articles by Ernst on 'The Sun Project' which appeared in Elvis: The Man and His Music (March 2006, p. 5):

'The original idea was to include every known photo from the era[...], as well as all trustworthy stories from the time; to date the photos and place the events within the '54/'55 timeframe in a more detailed presentation than 'Day By Day' had space for.'

From: Suzie Q (suz...@earthlink.net)
Subject: why not a Hits CD?
Newsgroups: alt.music.bob-mould
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Date: 2001-11-20 14:43:03 PST
I just got a copy on CD of "Workbook." Great solo debut.
As I embraced "See A Little Light" once again a thought struck me. He
deserves a much wider appreciation than he presently has.
If Bob was interested, I'd compile the best of such "pop" material from
1989 to present in a single CD, make sure it was properly promoted and
ultimately watch all the new recruits.
Let them come to the single material, perhaps they'll next search out
and
appreciate the harder stuff.
Johnny Savage
KALX Berkeley

The only person for sure who made every single show was James Burton. (Doc passes on his apologies to Hodge and Wilkinson)

Sorry, but no.

Just for the record, Brian, IIRC there is no mention of Foxx in attendence (sic) on May 1, 1967 in anything published by Lacker, or anywhere in Alanna Nash's Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia.

We left to join the others for the breakfast reception. To our surprise, the only celebrity invited was Redd Foxx........
-Elvis, Portrait Of A Friend - Marty Lacker

Sorry, but no.

Just for the record, Brian, IIRC there is no mention of Foxx in attendence (sic) on May 1, 1967 in anything published by Lacker, or anywhere in Alanna Nash's Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia.

We left to join the others for the breakfast reception. To our surprise, the only celebrity invited was Redd Foxx........
-Elvis, Portrait Of A Friend - Marty Lacker

.......my typo has been corrected, thanks.

A lot of the people here are refugees from FECC, banned or not, and it seems a safe bet that most or all would name Johnny and his minions/alter-egos as one of or THE prime reason for their gathering here. It'd be valid enough to point out that talking about him, even if in a forum that's supposedly not visible to him or to anyone who'd report back to him, gives him added power and validates him. But it'd also be valid to characterize this group as a safe space (relatively) in which members and former members of FECC can exorcise the frustrations and resentments that Johnny's behavior -- and the rampant and very obvious enabling and dustbusting done by PEP and at least one other -- have built up within them.

Saulovich's continued behavior on FECC, and the way dissenting views are dealt with, is NOT a triviality. The tone and worth of the FECC group is disproportionately set by, and diminished by, this asswipe and his little buddies or alternate personalities. That is a shame because the group has a lot more potential than is realized, that potential coming courtesy of members there who actually have more knowledge or insight than someone like Dear Johnny will ever have or be able to have.

Assembling the collected works of that idiot and discussing his depredations (this, of course, includes those of the site admins over there) is not necessarily just a bunch of hand-wringing and obsessing over a bully. This is a place in which things can be discussed, including things about him, that'd be deleted quickly from FECC. This is also a place where Carpenter can be looked at without fear of a commenter being banned and perhaps in analyzing what that putz is about we can find a way by which to effect some kind of change over there, because I'd suggest that anybody who denies change is needed isn't terribly alert and even adopting a "live and let live" attitude is just whistling past the graveyard of all those who got banned because they dared disagree with Johnny or his way. It's supremely unlikely anyone here assembled can change things over there, but it can at least help to talk about it -- there's a degree of trauma that some experience from encounters with gits like Johnny and there're also those of us who just do not countenance bullies, pseudointellectual poseurs, or arrogant, egomaniacal blowhards, and Carpenter is richly endowed with all three of those lovely attributes.

The only thing that makes him seem even halfway acceptable is when some slimebucket like that enormous jerk 'forum' signs on and begins posting their crap...assuming, of course, that 'forum' is not another Saulovich sockpuppet.

Worry no longer -- I have derived the correct date, almost to a certainty.

Look at the photo of Elvis holding the newspaper. The main headline mentions Poland.

On May 14, 1956, Jerzy Albrecht was succeeded by Janusz Zarzycki as "Head of the Municipal Branch of the National Council" -- the highest representative of the Warsaw government, and Poland's capital.

Thus, Elvis is likely reading the Tuesday, May 15, 1956 edition of the Memphis Press-Scimitar. He had a show that night in town at Ellis Auditorium.



Elvis at Audubon house, Tuesday, May 15, 1956

You can TRUST - THE - DOC!

The doc is here for you!

Thank you.

Rick, you well know ... this is what I do!!!

OK, as of now we're looking at a date of July 7.
I had some people in Memphis do some checking when they could and the folks at the University came back with this

It looks like the later breaking local news of the 7 year old killed by the automobile bumped the global news about Poland for the final edition,
It's possible that the 8th would have the headlines about Poland but odd that they would move a page two photo from one day to the front page the day after. I haven't heard from Vicki who was going to check the local library but maybe she might return if and when with the correct edition.
It's quite likely he's holding the morning or afternoon edition
Image

We are at the very least sure the photo is no earlier than the 7th.

Jim

I agree with Little Darling and everyone else James. Excellent done. Although you "only" sent an email request you provided us with proof from the paper and although the paper could be from a later date I'll go ahead and date my photos as being from July 7, 1956. This is the closest we'll come unless we get hold on a copy of the Home Edition of the exact same paper.

Thank you all who participated in the search and discussion.

Sincerely
Brian
www.brian56.dk

Nice follow-up, James!

Given all the other clues from Brian, and my newspaper suggestion being a primary guide, you may have nailed this one.

Long Lonely Highway (1963 - more edgy May 27 take 1 vocal rejected for inclusion on Girl Happy album)

You missed a few. Here's what we know, from extant 1955 SUN recordings by Elvis:

1) Jimmie Lott plays drums on:
How Do You Think I Feel?
I’m Left, You’re Right, She’s Gone

2) Johnny Bernero plays drums on:
I Forgot to Remember to Forget
Mystery Train
Tryin' To Get To You
When It Rains, It Really Pours

Mystery Train. I think not. It's, perhaps, the most famous drumless recording in the history of rock 'n' roll . Worrying stuff from someone who is rumoured to be assisting Ernst Jorgensen with his ultimate Sun book.

Unsurprisingly, there was no retraction when I politely pointed out "There are no drums on 'Mystery Train' - just the percussive beat of Bill Black's slap bass."

Also, that appears to be a vintage leather football helmet in his hands -- a Christmas gift, perhaps?

A dog it is and I think I've read somewhere that it belonged to the girl in the other photo and Elvis just picked it up and held it while she snapped a picture of him.

Maybe we could get a petition up to create a statue of a 13 year-old Ernst, in Copenhagen, near the Oresund Bridge.........those Dutch summers are killer ... EJ would become a pj.

quote from mr Carpenter :
"No, those Dutch summers are killer..."
Dutch summers in Denmark, John?!
Try again. Google is only a few clicks away.

FBI Memo - 4th January, 1971: "He (Elvis) advised that the Smothers Brothers, Jane Fonda and other persons in the entertainment industry of their ilk have a lot to answer for in the hereafter for how they have poisoned young minds by disparaging the United States in their public statements and unsavoury activities."

Elvis was giving something to the fans. Not only were they given a lifetime keepsake, he was entertaining them tremendously. I can tell you firsthand that the audience loved watching Elvis throw out the scarves and kiss the women. It was part of the show that many (females) waited for and it was dangerous to get close to them while they were retrieving their trophies.

Elvis in 1977 was not the same entertainer that knocked Vegas on its ass in 1969. However, he was still Elvis and he was thrilling thousands of his loyal fans each night. He could and should have been in a hospital, but instead was on the stage in front of thousands trying his best to entertain. Sometimes the comments made about these shows shouldn't be. I tend to be a little more sympathetic than some. We do not know how Elvis felt during most of these shows. When we are sick, it's easy to stay in bed and miss work (I don't). But the last couple of years we were seeing (whether we realized it or not) a man starting to die a slow and painful death. Elvis was not a pussy. If he said something was hurting, I tend to believe him. I also felt for him when I hear bad shows. Was he in some sort of pain? Was he getting physically ill? Would he make it through the show? So, when we receive a 1977 show on CD or DVD, I tend to look at as "Yes, there he is giving the best that he could possibly give on that particular night. Some nights during the last two years he was better than others. Chicago in May immediately comes to mind. Louisville in May was quite good. Even in the bad times, folks, it was still the same man who caused mass hysteria 20 years earlier. Instead of hating what he turned into, let's enjoy what he left us. A life-time legacy to enjoy in one form or another for the rest of our natural born lives. I am blessed each time I open a brand new CD. It's another show that I can sit and relax to. It's Elvis, who loved his fans so very much. We were down, we were sick and he loved us. Let's love him back. At one time in your life, Elvis made you smile. If you say it didn't happen, I'll call you a liar to your face. If you're reading these words, at some point in your life, Elvis made you smile and brought a little happiness to your life. Let's enjoy the musical legacy that was left to us by Elvis himselvis. So "Teddy Bear / Don't Be Cruel" was a scarf tosser. I can live with that because he made them happy. It wasn't necessarily the quality of the song while tossing a scarf to a fan who has waited to meet him for 20 years. It was the smile and lifelong memory she'll have with her to take home after the show. Elvis was a sick man for the last couple years of his life, but still wanted to please his fans. Let's respect that and stop with the insults about how far his music had deteriorated. He'd be dead in a short time. We make fun of the belts now, but the fans were delighted with what Elvis would be wearing on stage. They couldn't wait to get that first glimpse of what he had on. Elvis entertained right to the very end of his life and earns the respect of every member on this board regardless of which year it was.